Should ordering your followers to violently storm the capitol to stop the transfer of power count against you if it doesn’t succeed? Views differ

I’m glad to see Mark Cuban using his large platform to make fun of an Intellectual Dark Web anti-anti-Trumpist, and I’m grateful that he’s bringing up scams like Trump University and his refusal to pay small-time contractors that would permanently disqualify any Democratic candidate from office. (Remember all those months-long investigations that still tried to frame what turned out to be completely innocuous things as casting questions and raising shadows?) But it’s particularly striking how MAGA and radical centrist chuds alike have settled on the idea that if Donald Trump did not literally stay in office (after, it should be noted, an election in which no one close state could have flipped the election), nothing he did to try to do so should count against him:

Me: He ripped off thousands of hard working Americans with Trump University, he put vendors out of business and didn't pay his bills
You: But all business people do that

Me: He didn't want to leave the WH. He called the Ga.Sec of State and asked for 11780 votes. He demanded… https://t.co/bshaHOZBNq— Mark Cuban (@mcuban) June 26, 2024

What’s an extremely dumb and dishonest person’s idea of a Platonic dialogue? A Claremont Institute dialogue maybe?